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HMS Glorious last picture

HMS Glorious last picture with HMS Diana leading

HMS Glorious last picture 8 June 1940 (1940-06-08)

Source: U.S. Naval Historical Photograph #NH60793

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  • Debauchee69 on 2011-Jul-24 01:49:59 Debauchee69 said

    If the Captain of HMS Glorious did not go down with his ship, he should have been keel-hawled and hung from the yard arm. There is no excuse for what happened. The Captain abandoned his duty station so that he could personally participate in the courts martial of one of his senior officers for insubordination. No CAP was sent up despise the fact that it was a cloudless summer day with calm seas. More inexcusable was the fact that RN knew the course plotted to return to England was in an Area frequented by German capital ships. No radio alert was sent meaning those who survived the battle drown afterwards.

    Worse, was the freak gunnery skills of the German Sailours who landed an 11" (275mm) on the flight deck f-i-f-t-e-e-n miles out which prevented any counter-attack by HMS Glorious' from the flight line. The German crews sent a world's record on successfully hitting a moving target at sea!!! The Captains of the two attached DDs attempted to lay smoke screens but were blown out of the water doing so. 1, 500 British Tars died to that a vain-glorious commander could o take joy destroying the career of one of his underlings!!! The only other act of stupidity which comes close this was the loss of the HAMS Sydney II (CL) to the Q-Ship Kommoran
  • Vincent Marcroft on 2013-Apr-18 13:38:59 Vincent Marcroft said

    Many bad comments have been made about the Captain of HMS Glorious, and it's possible some of them are true. The main thrust seems to be that he was so intent on sailing home to court martial two officers, that he lost his focus and failed to take the necessary precautions to protect the ship. Captain D'Oyly-Hughes was not a naviator. He was a highly decorated WW1 submariner, so it seemed odd to appoint him as Captain of an aircraft carrier. That could have been a blunder by someone higher up.
    Another big mistake was to allow the ship to head back with less than the minimum escort protection. She should have had, at the very least, four destroyers for escort but had only two. Even then, with fire power of the German ships, four may well have been totally inadequate.

    The freaky gunnery skills of the German sailors? All the German rangefinders were fitted with Zeiss lenses - the highest quality in the world at the time and afforded the gunnery crews the clearest and most accurate detail - even if it was 15 miles; which would be disputed by some, as the controversial "garbled signal" received by HMS Devonshire, said that Glorious had sighted "2 PB. 8 miles distant". The gunnery skills of the german sailors resulted in the Court Martial of Admiral Marschall, onboard Scharnhorst, for using too much amunition.

    If Glorious had had all her boilers at full power, she could have out-run the German ships, as she was the fastest ship in the Royal Navy, but D'Oyly-Hughes had her running on reduced power.

    But if anyone is looking for the real truth, I don't think we will ever know. The British government made sure of that when they declared a 100 year secrecy order on the loss of the Glorious and her escort destroyers. Who will care about it in 2040? There will be no-one around then who even knows or cares about the Glorious.

    Many mistakes are made in wartime due to excessive pressure, fear, nerves. We can criticize all we like, this far on from the action. None of us being part of it.

    It was wartime. Mistakes were made. And peoples' reputations were probably protected as well, including I suspect, that of Winston Churchill, who had decisions to make and in my opinion, chose to sacrifice the Glorious in order to save the Norwegian Royal Family, on board HMS Devonshire. But as I said; We'll never know.

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